Jesus

Ahhhh Ms Jacquii, I second the motion!

This was very different...I read it before, but didn't understand the 2nd, 3rd & 6th lines so I didn't comment.

line #2 - I see your eyes watching my soul would indicate that Jesus is watching the soul, or someone else is (Lucifer?). Then going on into line #3 it says "my way, for I am the door". This can't be the same "my" in "my soul" because Jesus doesn't have a soul...not sure what the writer was trying to accomplish here. I think if they had written "My eyes are watching YOUR soul" then it would have made sense.

Your soul lies on you and hates I've never before heard of the soul having the capability to lie and hate...the mind and the heart, yes, which in turn affect the spirit...I might be wrong.

but you can never know me LOL! well, this definitely not something Jesus would have said, if we read all that he HAS said.

Depending on whether you DO know Him or not... I don't think that the people that don't, can understand the people that do...if we all grab an apple from a pile, and some are sweet and some are just "so so", how does the one with the sweet apple convince the other that "his" apple is sweet....he can't, not unless he lets them taste it. So those who do not know Jesus have to be willing to "get to know Him"...and it is not impossible. It's only something that you can personally feel, not so much explain...try a Waterfall of Love pouring over you continuously and having the knowledge that All is ALWAYS well...no matter what.

anyway...this IS just a poem...

I have to disagree with your "interpretation" of this poem MS N - the 2nd, 3rd & 6th lines are Jesus narrating - possibly even to the lynch mob that stood stolid in defiance as He supposedly crashed out on the cross.... This poem is written for the hypocrits who claim to know Jesus and claim to preach and worship his word - but then on Monday (after church has ended) they continue on with the ignorance of selfish hate, including (but not limited to) preaching "God hates faggots" and the like....

The only thing I believe Jesus ever even had the capacity to teach - Is the principle of love and equality... It just behooves me to think that someone who would claim to "know" Jesus doesn't believe that He walks the earth even today, rather than perpetuating the falsitude of Him living in Heaven on a thrown or some shyt - That's just ridiculous actually - And to think that someone would say "Carry your problems to Jesus" - That principle just irks my last nerve, as if I were Jesus - the last thing I'd dare want for someone to do is to dump their problems on me.

I think Christianity in a way has skirted personal responsibility by thinking that if you only BELIEVE in Jesus, the messiah, the martyr, that whatever else you do in life doesn't matter, because Jesus forgives... That is a most dangerous and foolish thing IMO.

So the poem is about Jesus saying to the hypocritical haters of the world (because He is indeed here now) that "You who say you know me - look deep within yourself and tell the fuckin' truth about it, rather than perpetrating frauds in every step you take...."

Anyway - hard poem to "conquer" if you've been spoon fed the talk about Jesus having accended and He just watches you from above or blablablablablabla....

Thanx for the read though MS N

Jacquii.

ps - I thought you know Jesus is a poet of the here-and-now

Well, yes (I took the poem at face value)...everyone interprets in their own way...same as with the Bible...how would you interpret fact? The fact is that HE walked the earth...fact that he worked miracles which were witnessed by thousands, even those who discounted him...fact that hundreds of people, including the disciples who were put to death for it, claimed to see Him after His death...If I were to claim to see Elvis, and I was on the verge of being stoned to death for it...there is no way I would stick to my story, unless I was a complete psycho, in which case they would lock me away. So let's say all of his 10 disciples who were put to death were psycho...that's it, the end. BUT, if we believe the people who wrote the history of Israel and that He was actually here, ergo...if we believe the things he did, we can believe the things He said He could do and would do...then I do believe when He said He was going to "prepare a place for me" and would be coming back, that it is the truth. Whether that's Heaven or the "New Earth" I don't know, but that's what faith is...no knowing the outcome before you jump in...and some call that stupid.

I think Christianity in a way has skirted personal responsibility by thinking that if you only BELIEVE in Jesus, the messiah, the martyr, that whatever else you do in life doesn't matter, because Jesus forgives... That is a most dangerous and foolish thing IMO
There are some that use this as a "cop out" I agree...everything that you do matters...everything you say matters, since the Bible says we will be judged by every deed and every word that proceeds out of our mouths. People only fool themselves believing that they can sin as much as they want and then ask forgiveness the last minute...because if it is premeditated, how can it be a sincere repentance? Of course, I am not the last authority on that...but I do feel that if you have been a total badass throughout life, stubbornly refusing to acknowledge Christ and you are at that point where you don't know where to turn, and call on Him, He WILL forgive your sins if you repent right there and are genuinely sorry...yeah, yeah...sounds too easy, huh? Hey, that's what He said... "ANY who seek me will find me".

So the poem is about Jesus saying to the hypocritical haters of the world (because He is indeed here now) that "You who say you know me - look deep within yourself and tell the fuckin' truth about it, rather than perpetrating frauds in every step you take...."
The only place I can remember reading about Jesus ever having an attitude like this I guess is to the Pharisees, who totally discounted Him as the Son of God, but claimed to know everything about God...and the self-same Pharisees who were selling livestock in the temple, supposedly to "buy repentance for the sinners" so I can see that part of it. So in this the poem is right on because there are many even today who are twisting truth to suit themselves and their lifestyles…but that’s why there is a Judgement Day, where we will all know who did what, why and when. Of course, there will be a different judgement for those who follow Christ sincerely in their hearts…I can’t just say Christians , because many do not…and also many do who do not use the name.

Anyway - hard poem to "conquer" if you've been spoon fed the talk about Jesus having accended Yes, but if you haven't been spoon fed, but came to your conclusion through research in the Bible and elsewhere, then you find out it's not just "talk". We have each been given a choice...and "Let those who have ears, hear", "Let those who have eyes, see". So, we will agree to disagree on this one! LOL!

I do believe He IS here on earth, and in Heaven, and everywhere...after all, as part of the Trinity, He is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient...He has the capacity to do all things, except that which is evil, since that is the domain of the devil.

I am laughing that this little poem sparked a discussion, since it is such a simple thing...but it just didn't seem to say to me what it said to you. I think the attitude of the writer of course, explains all...where it is copyrighted to "I Don't Bleed For You"...maybe claiming that Jesus came for some people only? Not sure…but He came for ALL peoples, everywhere.

HEY - not fair! my Smilies are off...how come?

Scripture is one thing - LIFE is another..... What I've written in my brief poem is to say discount all of that nonsense..... Seems like an EXCUSE for hate! When reading the old testiment MS N it's parables, poems, open wide to interpretation. Make no mistake about it - the words in red - there ain't nobody tryna buy nothing here - if that were the case I'd be considering how to make the larger building in Vegas, as I'm not too much liking the "how" of Mr. Trump's penthouse persuasions.....

So - NO um................................................ .........................argument about scripture here. The poem I offer is ABOVE scripture, but the words of "a NEW AGE" JESUS - simply laughing and sipping a beer perhaps, saying "Oh My! - I suppose it's a good thing I don't go to Church because those people who call themselves Christian don't even KNOW ME!"

It's a simple statement - A simple rhyme scheme - But Oh! What I could do with a similar statement from the collection plates of hypocrits that thrive on placating the "believers" by passing the collection plate around....

Jacquii.

Nope - this poem refutes that very principle - This poem is about the ACTIONS of people....
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This poem refutes that as well, as I BELIEVE it's not as simple as simply seeking... That's like saying, "Though I like snow I will seek to find the rock in the middle of the snowball and hopefully noone will have creamed me in the midst of my search...."

This poem is ABOUT the very principle of "finding" ------ Perhaps MOST are not MEANT to find?

I mean let's face it - repentence is like the bad word ---- right along with UGH and Father and "Bless me for I have sinned" ---------------- I need not even begin talk about THAT farce. But how shall He be seeked? Like the KKK after a Negro? Of course they're right as well; I mean isn't God on they're side? Fanatical to the core like Al Gore is about the Greenhouse Effect....

As far as disagreeing to agree.... I actually thought to myself it would be very interesting to have someone donate their corneas.... I'm fond of saying and talking about how blind I am.... Something most Christians could EVER even dare begin to understand... Most of them would look Jesus in the eye and walk away as if nothing spectacular ever happened...

At anyrate - me? I like to spell my name with a capital "J"

Jacquii.

LOL! Funny thing...now that I've read the poem about 10 times, I can understand it PERFECTLY...I guess it grew on me...or maybe it was your explanation?

Scripture is one thing - LIFE is another. I can see it from your point of view, even though I don't agree... and since I like arguing so much ....For me, scripture IS life...it's a blueprint of how to treat each other, living together daily, lending and borrowing, rules for physical well-being as well as moral and spiritual. I see no excuse for hate except where those already twisted (certain christians, muslims-who encompass the Old Test., catholics, whoever) seek to find an excuse and divide themselves from the rest of humanity by denouncing any and everything around them that doesn't fit into their scope of whatever they have decided is "right", and we shouldn't all be branded with the same stick....I think that even back then Jesus was "new age". He brought new ideas and interpretations where they were stagnant...probably something He WOULD do today...except that would probably be wine he's sippin'....

I don't go to Church because those people who call themselves Christian don't even KNOW ME!" It all depends on the church, and the Christians...I've been to churches this bad...and I've been to the total opposite...they are few but they are out there...if you seek.

collection plates of hypocrits that thrive on placating the "believers" by passing the collection plate around.... sad, yes...but so true. I know a church in LA that actually asks you for a copy of your W-2, and the really crazy thing is, they have a huge, very wealthy black congregation happily parading through there each week, VERY well dressed...fashion show...but I digress...

This poem is about the ACTIONS of people.... Well, the thing is that actions don't come about on their own...first there is a thought, then there is a vocalization of that thought, then there is the action...which is why we are cautioned to keep our thoughts pure (tough one!)... e.g. Jesus said that for a married man even looking lustfully at a woman was adultery...because as in our culture today...it begins with looking...then talking...then a familiarity that gradually grows into something it shouldn't...if the man had curbed his thoughts and turned away from the beginning, the action of the sin would never have come about.
some need to seek more than others...depending on where we're starting...though I believe the seeking of God may be easier than finding your rock since you don't even have to leave your seat!

Yeah, repentance IS a bad word to most...no one wants to feel that how they're living is wrong...or that their is even any higher power to answer to so they discount the entire package...God, the Bible, creationism...everything...that way they can live their lives however they please with no "conscience". Or they don't believe it's as easy as asking Jesus to just "come into your heart and BE the Lord of your life"...they add a whole heap of bull to it, and legalize every word, when the Word was put their to guide us...the proverbs to enlighten us...the psalms to help us glorify Him.

As I said before..."the KKK after a Negro" takes much effort and usually a single-minded evil throng of assholes...seeking the Lord involves only a heart open to change and a few words ASKING Him to be YOUR Christ... claiming Him as your Savior. That is, IF one can get past the shock that they are actually sinners...and repent the fact that they HAVE done wrong. Al Gore - hmmm...LOL! A WHOLE other subject...isn't he less fanatical than just greedy? Talk about a Hypocrite!! PLUS he owns part of several of the companies that are supposed to be collecting and planting trees in BRAZIL!! Move over Amazon forest..he's set up to make hundreds of millions...and everyone flocks to his parade...with bells on.

Most of them would look Jesus in the eye and walk away as if nothing spectacular ever happened I do believe you are right! Especially when their idea of what Jesus looks like isn't what they expect.

enjoyable debate!

Interesting debate no doubt - I thank you for the read and for sharing a bit of your faith with us

Jacquii.

mmm. very interesting.
i agree fullheartedly.
your debate is very interesting to read....

So many Christian religions and all claim to have the inside track when it comes to understanding Jesus words. Unfortunately they are all guided by those who lack understanding. Each generation seems to repeat the same mistakes because their knowledge is based on interpretations of those who's motive is and was suspect. Truth is, one cannot totally understand the bible language of two thousand years ago. One must seek a key that unlocks the mystery of what was behind the inner meaning of Jesus words. We seek answers with our personality when we should seek with our essence. seek for it as for hid treasure and you will with luck find a key to unlock the mysteries.