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    Sex? Did I hear the word sex mentioned after marriage? Where? When? I want to know who's getting sex after marriage? We make love...well...we do...honest...well...we used to....once....way back when...when was that?...what were we talking about?...oh yeah, that three letter word.

    Yes, there's sex after marriage (I heard an unconfirmed rumor that's where babies come from) but that's not really what keeps a marriage together after the first glow is over. It's, for us, the fact that we really like each other (we DO! I think, lol). There's so many undefinable reasons why marriages work (short one and long ones (get your mind outta the gutter I was talking about short and long marriages)) but after the romance has worn off and the babies, bills, pets and all kinds of obstacles come along that union between two people who have weathered all the above, to me, is not sex, it's the initial love expressed in a different way.

    Sex, yeah, maybe sexcapades might be fun, but after the role playing is finished, the love is still there.

    Erik's right. So is MsJ. I think your question has been answered many times, in many ways. I don't think anything we say will make a difference.

    Gail
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    Wow - Intimacy issues there MS GAIL? lol
    Then I read...

    So true - But I'd say yep - after marriage the sex is better than ever LOL
    How the heck would I know is an interesting question... But - Let's just say that I know because I know LOL - Um... Yeah... Marriage... Hmmmm.... Interesting dynamic to the conversation.

    But anyway - I do think it's an interesting discourse - but generally I think everyone must have missed my comment - so I shall quote it for ya:

    So when all is said (and yes we can shake head and knod - most of us anyway - in capitulation that the words have definitely been said)..... What's so different with seeing dick, pussy, cunt, ass, cum in print that seems to irk peoples nerves? :D

    JAcquii.
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    I got off topic, lol. That's what I get for taking a nap then trying to post. But, hey, it might've inspired a poem, lol.

    You're right. I'm not disputing anyone's right to post whatever they want here. After all, there's this wonderful thing called the back button. I've discovered it works well when I come across something I don't want to read for whatever reason, lol.

    BTW, I do have a cat, so one of those words do come across my lips now and then, lmao.

    hugs,
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    okay so is the debate over or do I have to hear were descandants of monkeys and monkeys f- each others brains out from booboo trying to make a point

    let me make a final point shock value theme have a short shelf life,

    and yes what's wrong with a little promisciuty although i've always and will always question its place in literature,

    its also part of growing up,
    but another part of growing up is loving yourself and learning tact
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    Hmmm - I dare cut you short with by saying a bit about the thriving porn literature niche. Like it or not - there is such a thing. All you need to do is Google and you will find thousands of available markets. At anyrate - I think the word "debate" was actually meant to be "discourse", whereby we discuss the differences and distinctions. We're not trying to win anyone over to our side persay as in a classic debate, but we're involved in more of an education exercise :D --- At anyrate - it's interesting to see how negative some peoples feelings are when discussing pornography. I think BOOOBOOO made an excellent point when he alluded to "We all do it, unless we're nuns, or priests, or the Pope - In which case we only do in closets" :) --- My question still remains: What's so different with seeing dick, pussy, cunt, ass, cum in print that seems to irk peoples nerves? ;)

    Jacquii.

    ps - GAIL you are so silly - This would be priceless: a picture of you calling your cat "pussy cunt" LOL - :joke:idding - but that does evoke an interesting mental image :LOL:

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    I guess if you repress yourself sexually then seeing that in print will do one of two things turn you on like real sex or make you scoff and say omg I never want to see that,

    now lets get back to the last point you made, for me there's nothing wrong with sex in any form, but so much erotica is just childish and undeserving of print,
    so thats why I stand against erotica for my own enjoyment,

    high- intellectual forms of erotica still only say a limit of things that you can express,
    as a topic to me its goes I could write about a woman and sex but poetry is the great plain of knowledge, there's endless more provocative intellegent and personal staements one can make, because when your a poet writing is your magic,

    so thats why its not fav subject of mine,

    also i've noticed a big market for romance and things like that as well,
    and they range from fantasy to unscrupulous,
    but I still believe people want to stand for something rather than breath on a dick

    maybe i'm misguided, most likely so,
    and i'll be my own biggest fan until I die
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    Hmmmm....

    I suppose the old adage "To each his own" can be stated eloquently here. :yes: At anyrate - where there is a market - there will be someone to fulfill the need, so to say :blush2: --- And generally speaking - I suppose one can say - the only difference between pornography and erotica - would be the nature of language that's used, rather than the topic of discourse or the niche or genre. And if that's the case, then certainly there will be those who think they can put the words in better arrangement or even edit the words out completely to suit his or her own need. But then - aren't we then snatching someone's literary license out of their hand by doing that?

    I say 3 cheers for literary freedom.

    Jacquii.
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    That's a great question. I can remember when dick was someone's name, pussy was a cat (still is, lol) an ass was an animal and the other two were only in a magazine little boys hid under their mattresses.

    When does a word become forboden? Or a gesture? I can remember, in 7th grade, a friend flipped off some assholes on a bus. She used her pinky finger to do it. Before long it was the middle finger which was used.

    I don't know. The 'Moral Majority'? Sometimes it takes only one person to change a world's opinion. I just know what's objectional to me and most of the time it has nothing to do which pisses off the 'moral' people.

    Is it each individual's perception , or a group which decides what's moral and what's not?

    hugs,
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    I can't go against something as beautiful as literary freedom,

    the thing which makes every writer different and many writers the same at the same time,

    to each his own and might I add to everyone their rights,

    express what they may your sucess depends on you alone,

    personally as long as I have any outlet I'm happy
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    I hear ya! And JPiC is here to provide that outlet! ;)

    The thing I wonder though - cause this is an interesting thread IMO - is that is there perhaps a distinction between literary porn/erotica vs. VISUAL porn/erotica - I do wonder if perhaps there may be somewhat of a double standard.

    Anyway - interesting points by everyone really. I like this topic because I'm somewhat of a taboo myself lol - my entire life is a taboo - so it's interesting to me to see what people think about this topic, even though I'm not the one who posted the topic....

    Ah - I do see the "To each his own" or is it more politally correct to say "To each his or her own" :lol: -- Excellent statement you've made MS GAIL - It all comes down to individual perception. It's most difficult to legislate individual perception.

    It is interesting also to note the Dick, pussycat, ass as mule facts; What's in a word?

    Anyway - I do say that my personal preference would tend to center around the "classy" type erotica as opposed to the hardcore stuff. I suppose my recent visit to a spicy adult cam site belies that fact :blush: ---- But yeah - where there's an audience - there is a way tehehehe. And sometimes I just have to say - I'm sure glad the "Moral Majority" doesn't rule all cultures. It would make for a very boring atmosphere worldwide... 3 Cheers for JPiC and it's non-censorship policy :jpicrocks:

    Jacquii.

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    no its not a few chapters...you just happened to get volume one. and if you have an 11 year old girl and you're ok with her finding that, its a sad commentary on any shred of morals whatsoever. thats scary

    z


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    Um - you're all off topic ZAAC - And I think one thing every Member can agree upon is that we don't necessarily want to hear you preach about morals or lack-there-of --- Perhaps you can read some of the eloquent statements that have been made in this discussion and then comment :D

    Jacquii.

    ps - This is probably gonna get a ((GASP)) - but when is it OK for a girl (or boy) to hear the word Dick, etcetera? When we hear them say it - and pretend that they would never ever hear/or/say such a thing? LOL --- And then we act astonished because our little boy has said pussy...? :rolleyes:

    At some point - don't you think it becomes our responsibility as an adult to address the use of ugly little words and to sit down and honestly conversate on the ugly little things that sometimes is more prevalent in society than we'd want them to be... Or shall we always have our little girls and little boys live in an uneducated and un-savvy state of ignorance? Sometimes I think we have to shed the faux-shield of "well I'm just trying to keep my child safe" and realize that we too have perpetuated the hypocrisy that is "dirty little secret"

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    I think that lots of times just the concept of sex in itself can be confusing... I was in an Ethics course where our last and my most favorite topic dealt with sex. What do we call sex? (is it oral, is it just kissing, or is it other forms? Or, is sex just intercourse between two people? And, for that matter, it being defined as just intercourse is an interesting concept to debate as well). And what isn't defined as sex?

    This could maybe help with understanding what is Erotic and what is Pornographic. Or, at least, it couldn't help but to ponder this question. (I loved debating this in my class, everyone's opinions were so different and it was just very interesting).

    For me my writing of Erotica reflects my own morals most of the time. I always have those who are doing the acts be together and know each other. And, not only know each other, but have their having sex be an expression of love and trust between the couple. I would never let anyone do anything to my own body or to me unless if I trusted them and loved them as well. But, that's just me and how I feel with it.

    I have been reading an Erotica book occasionally (when I wanna spice up my night) called "Delta of Venus" by Anais Nin. This deals with a whole variety of different stories touching on different topics, and in my opinion it is kind of "hardcore." It goes quite into details with things and is definitely quite different than what I thought Erotica to be... it's the first published, in print Erotica book that I've read. Though, I've read a lot of Erotica online and dabbled with writing it myself too.

    I just love the topic of sex and especially love that interesting question of what is sex? And that being defined by what someone's opinion of sex is for them, because it really does vary. For me I have a clear idea of what Pornography is with a visual media and like a sex scene within a movie is different.

    Maybe that's my way to explain the difference for me... Pornography is like that Pornographic movie where two (or more people) are suddenly having sex and you don't know quite way except the man came in for the cable and is suddenly having sex with this woman. Erotica is like that sex scene within a movie, you get a backstory, you care for the characters, and there's more to it. Well, at least, that's my opinion at least or the conclusion that I've drawn.

    I know I went a little off topic but I get quite excited when I talk about sex... it's just so damn interesting and fun!


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    LOL - nice comment SARAH - I do think it's all about "interpretation" - For instance some may think Anais Nin is pornographic - no doubt when Nin's writing was introduced into mainstream literature it was considered saucy to say the least. Most interesting about Nin is that she was one of the 1st WOMEN to write erotica - some steamy stuff - even the title you mention sounds more than risque enough to garner my attention (may look it up on Amazon.com a little later lol) --- Some like it hot :blush2:

    Anyway - did a bit of reading on Nin over at wikipedia and found an interesting quote: We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are. Makes me say "hmmmm"

    Jacquii.

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    Language Of Mind Is All I Yearn To Learn Cause the Rest Is A Play Of Words. I Want to Champion The Cause And Not the Way...

    Eric...Feels I Am Twisty...:whistle3:


    Posted By booobooo | May 19, 2008
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    My Lovely Gail,

    Think About It...

    Sex Is Sex...Before Or After Marriage
    So Is Love...
    So Is Emotion...
    Etc. Etc.

    Nothing Changes Except Our Insecurities...
    Marriage Is A Certificate On A Paper...Humans May Need...

    I Believe In The Flamingoes. They Love Only One And When Their Partner Dies...They Stop Eating Till They Themselves Perish..Can Anyone Match That...


    Posted By booobooo | May 19, 2008
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    All I Would Like To Say From My End Is That I Agree With Each And Every One Of You Because That Is What Civilized And Cultured Is All About.

    But That Is Not The Way It Was Meant To Be...Putting Beautiful Words Dosen't Change The Essence Of The State.

    Please Understand That I Did Not Create This Essence. We All Have It But Too Shy Or too Conscious To Bring It Out And That Goes For Me Too.

    This World Has Become Such A Sad Place Thanks To The So Called Evolution Of The Mind Set Of Man Kind.


    Posted By booobooo | May 19, 2008
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